Well, it was surprisingly easy to dig up information on this one. All you have to do is google “God Hates” and homosexuals are practically at the top of every list. Along with plenty of pictures..
Poor little guys.. They’ve even got the kids in on it..
Great parenting there, teaching your kids the word "hate". Nice to know the future is in good hands.
A few scriptures..
Genesis 19:1-13
After reading it again in this new perspective I finally get what is going on here. At first I thought the guys just wanted to meet them.. now I know..
Leviticus 18:22
There are plenty of other species that exhibit homosexuality so I'm not sure if it can quite be categorized as "abomination".
Romans 1:26-27
Wild orgy. It happens..
1 Corinthians 6:9
This looks like the part that says gay people are going to hell (or not going to Heaven to be more specific).
I’m not even going to go into social media, countless hate crimes, not to mention all of the Chick-fil-A yada yada. At this point that would just be overkill and I think by now everyone gets it.Yet (and I am by no means an expert any of this), based on my research so far I haven’t been able to really locate where God specifically singles out gay people as an object of his hatred. He just doesn’t like them enough to let them into Heaven. And since all Christians are going to Heaven and all Gay people to Hell, it is therefore technically impossible for a person that is Gay to be a Christian. So, if you’re a Gay Christian you might as well find something else because you’re pretty much wasting your time. God doesn’t want you. Try not to take it too hard, though. If it is any consolation I will most likely be joining you all in Hell. I’m not Gay, but from what I hear the list of things that the bible doesn’t like is pretty extensive and I’m certain to be on there somewhere so be sure to save my seat.
I don’t see what the big deal is, anyway. True, gay sex is icky (except between females that’s actually kinda hot) but I wouldn’t walk around with a giant sign telling them that they all have to go to hell. And I certainly wouldn't want anyone to commit suicide because of it. I've been told that these are but a mere few zealots, yet their voices seem to represent the masses. If they are practicing the religion incorrectly then why aren’t other Christians correcting them? They certainly don’t seem to have a problem correcting everybody else.
If the message is supposed to be unconditional love, then it should be practiced unconditionally, not love everybody except for those people over there because they’re different. I’m not going to be the one tell someone who they can and cannot love. If there really is a God that supposedly cares about people then wouldn't he/it feel the same way?
thankfully there are things like this happening:
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It's a start.
ReplyDeleteThank you for the very informative response. It indeed seems to be a very tense subject and very much under debate. So, I guess what I'm trying to figure out is whether or not Gay people get to go to Heaven. Based on these pics, text from the bible, as well as my interactions with Christians on various devices such as Twitter, etc. the answer would seem to be a resounding "no". I'm not necessarily a Gay advocate, but I do believe in treating people fairly. Based on my observation Heaven is mostly regarded as some sort of VIP club where only the "in" crowd may enjoy its luxuries. How convenient it is that Christians alone are able to enjoy these benefits, regardless of their misuse of the word "love" and abuse of the word "hate" which only provides more evidence that the religion itself is subjective. There are worse things in this world than being Gay. One of them is being a hypocrite.
ReplyDeleteMy understanding is that according to the bible, because of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, the way to heaven is through Jesus. Jesus is God's manifestation of love, come down to earth in a form that gives stupid humanity a better shot at understanding the Creator's immense love for them. I think that God has many ways of showing that love to people, and each person will respond to these manifestations differently, connecting with and discovering that immense love in the way that gels with their soul. Now, I don't think that it's up to people to judge who gets into Heaven or not, no one has the right to pretend to know the secret destination for eternity of another's soul. I mean, where is Heaven? What is it? All around us in simply another dimension? Nestled in the clouds between flyzones and space, dotted with fat harp–playing babes? Beyond space on another planet past Pluto (is that still a planet?) But, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I think should have an opinion of some kind. So, here's mine just for kicks and the sake of discussion. I believe that for the soul to pass into this other dimension after this life ends, it has to be connected to this immense, incomprehensible Love, and therefore, with the truth, as the two are partners I feel. I know most Christians say that Jesus is the one way street to the golden gates, but I can't accept that the Creator, this Love, would be so single–minded as to have only one means of discovering him. How can a peaceful, loving, truthful, spiritual Muslim soul be deemed unworthy of Heaven while a Christian who leads the same lifestyle gets a ticket because the first worships a being named "Allah" and the second "Jesus"? Or what about the Native Americans who roamed the plains, in communion with the Great Spirit, and died without ever hearing a peep about Jesus? Do such beautiful souls get thrown into the fiery furnace? If not, so much for unconditional love in my book. Those VIP folks could use a bit of an ego tune–down, and some mind opening. This does relate to being gay, I promise. It's not a new thing obviously, it's in the bible. I don't know much about homosexuality, but am inclined to believe that while it definitely has a huge psychological side to it, it's also very much influenced by physiology too (interesting bit on brain anatomy of gay vs. straight). I know that the brain can and does change over time as humans grow and depending on the lifestyle we lead, so that's an interesting thought there, but at the same time, it's also due to genetics and other things we have no control over. How can unconditional love reject a soul because of something in their physical self that was out of their hands? And again, re being a hypocrite, while everyone screws up, it really shows the connection between Love and the truth....
ReplyDeleteThat is a very honest and well-adjusted response. I really have nothing to add to that except.. touché.
ReplyDeleteWhat a wonderful response bakedbeansontoast23! :-)
ReplyDeleteI also have great sympathies with inclusivism, which is the idea that Jesus also reveals Himself in some way through other religions, and can work for the reconciliation of people of other faiths, even though they may not consciously be aware of this. Even more, I find the idea that everyone will ultimately be saved and go to heaven to be plausible as well, an idea which has been held by a number of Christian thinkers over the centuries, the view that all people, ultimately, will be reconciled to God through Jesus, and be part of His eternal life. There are even internet forums, such as www.evangelicaluniversalist.com, for Christians who hold this view. This idea, known as 'universal reconciliation', or 'universalism', comes in many forms, but the form that I find most plausible sees everyone as ultimately being reconciled to God by calling out to Him and putting their trust in Jesus, and sees what we refer to as 'hell' as being a temporary, corrective disciplinary state (with the fire being metaphorical for purification), which one would certainly wish to avoid but is ultimately redemptive in function. I am undecided, but consider this view plausible in light of biblical evidence (see, for example, Romans 11:32).
Regardless of the truth of these ideas, I am even more confident that many people of homosexual orientation, including those who have been targeted by signs such as those in the pictures, will ultimately be part of God's paradise in heaven. The whole idea of Christianity is that people are saved by God's grace through putting one's trust in Jesus, and not by 'trying to be good' ('by works'). Jesus' message was an inclusive one (regardless of what message the Church often unfortunately gives out), and He spoke particularly out against the hypocrisy and pride of Pharisees, those who were religious leaders at the time. We, as Christians, need to listen to His message! :-)
Best wishes and blessings to you both! :-)
Well, a lot of that sounds fairly decent but then there's the part that I run into trouble. I don't see why a person's deeds or 'works' aren't enough to grant them access to this Holy Kingdom. A person's character should supersede their ability to grovel before an ambiguous omnipotent deity. Worship should be an option, not a prerequisite.
ReplyDeleteInteresting point - thanks for the reply! :) One viewpoint on this issue would be that the reason why God works by grace (i.e. giving reconciliation and life to a person as a free gift), rather than requiring a person to earn favour by good deeds or consistent character (which are valuable in themselves), is in order to show the unconditional nature of His love to the fulness. If something is earnt, it is not fully a gift; it is an obligation on the part of the employer. The employer is showing fairness, perhaps kindness, but not in particular radical love. However, if something is wholly and simply a gift, as a Father presents to their children, it can be far more an expression and example of love. In other words, God does not make humankind earn favour because, in His love, He would much rather bestow it as a completely free gift. God transforms people after this initial gift so that their characters change to become more loving and virtuous, but this is not the basis for their acceptance in the first place.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, another line of reasoning can come from the central idea of Christianity that people from all backgrounds ought to be included. Difference and perceived superiority amongst human beings breeds prejudice. Hence, with God's life being given as a completely free gift, rather than being earnt, there is nothing for any person to boast about over any other, since all the work was not their own, but God's. Hence, the idea of salvation being a gift, and not earnt, helps foster equality and prevents prejudice - this is a theme of Paul's letter to the Romans.
The free gift is, by nature free. It is not earnt by heartfelt worship, or prayer, or any form of solely human endeavour whatsoever; it is given on the point of a person trusting its presence, asking for it, and receiving it.
Hope this is of interest! :)
This is all new information for me so it does help to view things from a different perspective. Thanks for taking the time to deliver this information.
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